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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 04-05-2009, 08:02 PM Thread Starter
 
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Steering Effort Improvements

I wasn't sure which area to put this, so I decided to stick it here.

Some people that I have spoken to have experienced issues with the steering being difficult to turn. My recent cage re-do and remounting of my steering column/mount, amplified the issue.

I finished my cage work in late December, which included remounting my steering and changing the geometry of the linkage just slightly. After a race in January of about 80 miles, my forearms were INCREADIBLY sore. I had not noticed this in my previous 4 races, some of which were nearly twice as long! And I noticed, in this last race, that my steering was seemingly "sticking" while turning or trying to return to center.

When I got home I started messing with it and quickly came to the conclusion that the steering ujoints were binding due to my having added just a bit more angle to the system. So this past weekend, I decided enough was enough, and I reworked the steering setup/geometry. What I did was to cut the mounts, push the shafts more towards the driver, which in turn brought all of the angles down quite a bit. The main shaft that clears the gas tank is just barely off of the angled tank surface. It is as low as I can get it. In turn, though, this pushed the steering wheel very close to my body. So I cut the main shaft and pushed the steering wheel back to the original location.

Test trying it in my garage showed I could smoothly turn stop to stop, unlike ever before. And after my trip out today testing my shocks, I can say that the steering works like BUTTER! I am better than stock. (The rig still pushes, of course, though. I didn't change the overall suspension geometry. Just the steering linkage from steering wheel to the rack.)

So my finding is that the steering geometry is a bit steep and can use a readjustment to bring it down. This will decrease the effort needed to turn the wheel and make for those longer trips even more effortless.

Just letting everyone know. I would post pics, but there really isn't much to show. It looks the same as stock, but the main shaft is just barely off of the tank.
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Thanks for all the info.
I can see that if those angles got to high, it would bind.



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i moved mine forward when i put in the power steering
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i moved mine forward when i put in the power steering
Did you move the steering rack forward? Or the steering wheel? I just went and looked at your pictures of your electra steering install. That is interesting because you added an additional u-joint after the steering box. And the joint angles are good with the exception of the lower one at the steering rack. But you probably don't notice any bind any longer because the steering box is between you and the bind. Keep in mind I am not saying that it won't steer. I am only saying that it adds effort to the driver (without power steering). And over the course of a full day or a long race, that gets VERY tiring.

Anyone on here with a Riot that notices this bind as well? I drove one the other day and it was noticable.

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Re: Steering Effort Improvements

i left the rack in the stock location, the only reason i put the extra u-joint there is because the spline were different and thats what came with the kit. i just used the parts that came with the kit or reused stock parts. and there is still minimal bind in the lower u-joint.
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I think that it is important to mention for those that aren't shaft savy and want to attempt to cut and weld their own that when you work with shafts that include multiple joints you need to remember to keep them in "time" or "phased" so they don't bind on each other. Just thought I'd throw that in the pot.
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I just did a "Uni-Steer" upgrade on my Riot today!! I will include some pics soon. I added an extra u-joint between the steering wheel and the electra steer unit.

Major improvement. I also found a few peculiar things in my discovery. I think that my steering box was rubbing as it had a tolerance or clearance problem. I started out clearancing the steering box and ended up full tilt uni-steer.

I replaced the original 5/8-36 spline at the steering box with the unisteer bearing and a "double D" on the other end. For those of you like myself with a welding handicap, A grinder and "double-d fittings take care of the need to weld.

I noticed a minor improvement when I clearanced the steering box and a major improvement on the uni-steer upgrade. Also, the uni-steer u-joints have a much better range of motion than the stock u-joints, hence, less binding!!
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awesome cant wait for pics
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I just did a "Uni-Steer" upgrade on my Riot today!! I will include some pics soon. I added an extra u-joint between the steering wheel and the electra steer unit.

Major improvement. I also found a few peculiar things in my discovery. I think that my steering box was rubbing as it had a tolerance or clearance problem. I started out clearancing the steering box and ended up full tilt uni-steer.

I replaced the original 5/8-36 spline at the steering box with the unisteer bearing and a "double D" on the other end. For those of you like myself with a welding handicap, A grinder and "double-d fittings take care of the need to weld.

I noticed a minor improvement when I clearanced the steering box and a major improvement on the uni-steer upgrade. Also, the uni-steer u-joints have a much better range of motion than the stock u-joints, hence, less binding!!
Where was it hitting or rubbing?



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The toothed slide inside the gear box seemed to be binding on both the far left and right extension. So I removed a feather edge from the top of the slide. Also, when I held it in my hand the front sliding dust cover when tightened appeared to lock the case between the slide and sliding cover. I shimmed it about 1/16" inch and it started sliding. Don't think it was a miracle cure, but it seemed to help move it when together in my hand.
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