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09-16-2010 03:21 PM
Bear Foot
Re: clutches running hot

Thanks for the update. The clutch set up can get so confusing.

Timmy2424 is still a member.



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09-16-2010 08:52 AM
sandracer1
Re: clutches running hot

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The Team has 2 options for helix one is the 50-40 the other is like 64-56, or something like that. It works the same way as yours, pull it apart and rotate it until it drops in the other set of helix. Mine has 2 sets of numbers and the numbers line up with the helix slot. So 50-40 has a helix slot and if I rotate it 90* it will drop into the other slot labeled 64-56. I got confirmation from Redline on that. The 64-56 is way to steep.
Open mouth, insert foot!!! Do not know if Timmy2424 is allowed on this site anymore but I have to correct what I said above. The 50-40-F is not a dual angle helix. But the 60-46-44 is. The F in 50-40-F stands for full cut. FYI, I tried the 60-46-44 and it worked O.K. but it takes way too long to wrap out and cruising speed is drastically slower at 6000rpms. Going to go with a 48-46-F on the rear helix with the turbo. Spent some time talking to Jason at Team and this is what is the next step to fixing my tuning NIGHTMARE!!!!!



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09-08-2010 01:04 PM
sandracer1
Re: clutches running hot

The Team has 2 options for helix one is the 50-40 the other is like 64-56, or something like that. It works the same way as yours, pull it apart and rotate it until it drops in the other set of helix. Mine has 2 sets of numbers and the numbers line up with the helix slot. So 50-40 has a helix slot and if I rotate it 90* it will drop into the other slot labeled 64-56. I got confirmation from Redline on that. The 64-56 is way to steep.



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09-08-2010 11:59 AM
timmy2424
Re: clutches running hot

Im not sure if your 40/50 helix is a double angle or if you can chose between the to. Thats how mine is its a 44/48. I pick the 48 and let the rollers go in th 48 slots. If I rotated it a half turn when putting together it whould go in th 44. The turbo helix actualy start at say 44 then swithes to a 48.
09-08-2010 10:13 AM
sandracer1
Re: clutches running hot

Ours in the Revolt is a double angle helix, 50-40. With all of the discussion we have all had I am in a good spot to figure it out. I will keep the tune where it is at and see how it holds up. Then start increasing the rpms. Harder motor mounts will help stop the motor torque, and not over rev will tell me if it is still alignment. The camera will definately tell me that. I am not sure about snowmobile sights because they are about half the weight and that changes the ball game totally. I have poked around on them some but never chimed in. Guess I will and see what they have to say. With your belt running at 220 that should be a good number for me to try and stay below. What kind of belt does your buddy run?



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09-08-2010 08:49 AM
timmy2424
Re: clutches running hot

Ya you should be able to get all season out of a blet. I would try going on a Yamaha snowmobile forum. They have lots of experience dealing with turbos. Ive heard alot of the time the run a helix with two, different angles for a turbo motor. So say it start out on a 40 degree and to car starts picking up speed, clutches are shiffing up, your still at 8000 rpm and then when to boost starts really kicking in and then the helix starts working of the higher degree angle. It takes more power to climb that angle at that would keep your rpm from going up to high.
09-08-2010 08:13 AM
sandracer1
Re: clutches running hot

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I just sold my 2 seat rail. I had a 660 turbo motor with around 150 horse in it. I rode it in the dunes hard for 2 years and never even had the belt off.
Thanks Steelerman. Are you trying to rub my nose in it? That comment just frustrates me more!!!!



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09-08-2010 08:11 AM
sandracer1
Re: clutches running hot

Yes it is against the engine but I still get that much compression out of it. It is pretty soft. I had a Riot owner PM me and said he had to change his motor mounts to get rid of belt issues, so I will try that. RThey are cheap, $10.00 each. I think the motors move too much IMO. This is the reason I was breaking turbo support brackets also.



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09-08-2010 06:25 AM
Red Rock Powersports
Re: clutches running hot

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Power is at 8000 -8200. Rev limiter is at 8400. I think it hits the chip when the boost comes on full and just lets the motor run away from the trans. Sound right to you? How many races do you get out of a belt? I have not checked the belt temp. I will do that next time I run it. The trans and motor were misaligned some and that has been corrected but have not put a hard days ride on it yet. LS will be the test. I agree that slippage is my issue or the misalignment. Just cannot get rid of the slip until now, but my rpms are down by 1000. Should be a good starting point. I had someone tell me that the motor mounts on these buggys are a 40 durometer and that I could get a harder mount to help get rid of all the motor movement. Seems to me that would be a large improvement as well. I will start searching for them also. My motor moves backabout 3/8" during operation. I can see this on the doughnut gasket from the mid pipe to the muffler. Seems like alot of movement to me.
Do you have your torque bump stop in place and up against the engine?
09-08-2010 05:34 AM
steelerman
Re: clutches running hot

I just sold my 2 seat rail. I had a 660 turbo motor with around 150 horse in it. I rode it in the dunes hard for 2 years and never even had the belt off.
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