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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 06-05-2010, 10:21 PM Thread Starter
 
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Fix your Riot's steering!

I spent some time trying to figure out why the steering on my Riot was so difficult to turn. If anyone has the same issue, mine would turn a short ways from center, then start binding and then easier towards the end of the turn. Same thing turning either direction.

I found the steering shaft u-joints were 90 degrees out of phase causing the bind. With that type of misalignment, the u-joints will actually try to stretch/pull the steering shaft instead of working smoothly. I simply ground the welds off the steering box side u-joint and turned it 90 degrees and re-welded it. While I was in there, I also modified the steering shaft support so it better aligned with the shaft angle.

This picture describes proper shaft alignment:



Steering shaft before:




Steering shaft after:



Steering shaft support bearing fix:



Result of this fix is smooth steering lock-to-lock and overall the steering is much easier (although not power steering for sure!)

Ride safe!
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Re: Fix your Riot's steering!

Great job ! Thats an easy fix.
You should let the factory know, so they can correct the problem, with their suppliers.
Maybe, Mike @ Red Rock Powersports can help?



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Re: Fix your Riot's steering!

nice..... this is among one of the best thread I have seen in the forum...
thanks for sharing.... alot of poeple usually prefer to keep their mods to themselves..
I like to see these kind of Threads.... Good job!!
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Re: Fix your Riot's steering!

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Great job ! Thats an easy fix.
You should let the factory know, so they can correct the problem, with their suppliers.
Maybe, Mike @ Red Rock Powersports can help?
Good find Eric!! Got your text too. Planned on letting Redline know what you found.

U-joints have to break "in time" to be smooth. If a drive shaft in a vehicle is out of time or phase you will develop a severe vibration from the condition. I have seen where someone has replaced the rear u-joint in their truck; They pulled it apart at the slip spline and just put it back together and actually created the condition that Eric is showing us. Just a little heads up for those that work on their own stuff and weren't aware.

Once again good find Eric!

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Re: Fix your Riot's steering!

Very interesting!!!!! I had not thought of that being an issue! Thanks for posting.
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Re: Fix your Riot's steering!

Thanks guys...it was a real head scratch-er trying to figure out what was causing the binding, but the fix was certainly worth the time! Hopefully other Riot owners can benefit if in the same situation.
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thanks guys...it was a real head scratch-er trying to figure out what was causing the binding, but the fix was certainly worth the time! Hopefully other riot owners can benefit if in the same situation.
...and revolt owners too.



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Re: Fix your Riot's steering!

I wanted to add a little bit to this. Past Riots I have driven were really hard to turn. I never had a chance to look at their u-joint positions. But in the Riot I picked up a few months ago, mine steers really easy. Looking at my steering u-joints I see that they are out of phase as suggested above. So I suspect this is why mine steers easier than other Riots I have driven.
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Re: Fix your Riot's steering!

has anyone change this on their revolt?
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I wanted to add a little bit to this. Past Riots I have driven were really hard to turn. I never had a chance to look at their u-joint positions. But in the Riot I picked up a few months ago, mine steers really easy. Looking at my steering u-joints I see that they are out of phase as suggested above. So I suspect this is why mine steers easier than other Riots I have driven.
The u-joints being "out of phase" will cause a binding (steering cycles through a hard-soft-hard feel) rather than just hard steering overall.

My steering felt real good after this mod, but I had a very sloppy steering box. I bought a new box and steering does not have the binding feeling, but is certainly tougher to steer than with the worn out box. I've also found the heims in our front end aren't terribly smooth and simply spraying them with a dry graphite spray also eased the steering. I'm thinking our tough steering is due to several factors, but because of time restraints I haven't been able to spend much time going over the steering geometry, friction areas at the heims, excessive angles at the steering shaft u-joints etc to determine a real good fix for "easy" steering...
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