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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-16-2013, 06:35 PM Thread Starter
 
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First ride with my RIOT

Took my RIOT out for my first drive today at Disney (grand lake in Oklahoma) and had a good time. I really didnt know what to expect so I took it pretty slow and gradually got the feel for it. This particular area is wooded trails and small rock river beds and such. Not really the best place for a ROIT to shine but had other family there so it was great.

I have 3 issues to address after the initial ride.....

1. The pipe on the car is a custom built pipe and is VERY LOUD and probably doesnt have the motor running at its best. I have the stock mufler but they chopped up the mid pipe to make the custom pipe so I need a mid pipe (probably can make one) and get the stock muffler back on it. ***Does anyone have a mid pipe they would sell?***
***Does the motor run OK with the stock pipe?***

2. The clutch just doesnt seam to be putting any power to the ground.....it starts at 4000 which I think is about normal in stock form but if you lay into it, the motor will go straight to 8000+ without much of a pull at all.......I think I may try the 39gram weights and see if that helps the clutch performance as well as take everything apart for inspection.

3. The steering got excrutiatingly difficult as the day went on......I really think the steering box needs rebuild with fresh greese and such.

***has anyone tried to use a quickener in reverse? Basically use a 1 to 1.25 box and mount it backwards to give a little more steering leverage? I think it will still steer plenty quick enough.

The only thing I have to compare to is my brother in laws stock 800S rzr and it steers much slower (but MUCH easier) and as of right now, it will outrun my riot in a straight line race.

Any thoughts/ ideas/ shared experiences are GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!

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post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-16-2013, 07:29 PM
 
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Re: First ride with my RIOT

You do need to get those 39g weights in the clutch, I am sure there are 37g in there now. Also your might want to PM Easy E, he did extensive clutch tuning on his Riot and got it working really well. In regards to steering, Check the thread by Easy E " Fix your Riot's steering" do the same to yours and your steering problems will be gone... My Riot had the same exact problem. Also make sure your toe in is about 1/4 inch and the camber has the top of the front wheels about 1/2 to 3/4 inch tipped in.. There are many aftermarket mufflers that can quiet down the engine. Post some pics of your setup and those on here can give you some more detailed ideas that already work. Does your Riot have a Big Gun Programmer? If it does try disconnecting it. It may be too fat to make good HP. If it is fat it will rev but falls flat on power.....
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Re: First ride with my RIOT

Here is a couple of pictures of my Riot. I have some things to work out on it but I really like the car and I am happy with it.

After seeing this car at Little Sahara a few weeks ago, I knew I had to have it LOL! I picked it up just 2 hrs from my house! Worked out perfect!

Anyone have any feed back on the sand tires I got with it? I know you can over power a motor with tires that have too much bite....are these the right choice for rear tires? They are skat track 26" with 10 paddles.

Thanks for any info!

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Re: First ride with my RIOT

Here's what I did to fix my Riots steering:

https://www.redlineutvforums.net/gene...-steering.html

As for paddles, I had to run STU Blasters 26" with the #2 paddles on my Riot. The Riot needs help staying on top of the sand and when I ran 10 paddle Skats, I couldn't get up most hills.

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Re: First ride with my RIOT

First off, I have never own a Riot so this is just my opinion. It appears from the pics that the scats are on a very wide rim which is GREAT it will do as Easy said (help stay on top of the sand) second i would not invest all the money for stus without at least trying the scats. I would guess you will ride at l/s in oklahoma mainly. The sand there is much different than where they ride out west. Thirdly, if you show up while we are at l/s in sept i am sure one of our group will let you throw their stus on to do a live comparison there and really know which you like best. This seems to be a good option before spending the money. I honestly think the scats will work well being stretch out flat like they are. For what it is worth i have been going to l/s 3-1/2 years and the only time i have been stuck was stopping on top of a dune and getting high centered. The guys with the stus cant say that. Hope to see you sept 13-22



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Re: First ride with my RIOT

Guys, thanks for your replies, I really appreciate it!

I did ride in the car at Little Sahara (the owner was camped just up from us and he took me for a ride) and it seamed to do really well but I dont have anything to compare to. (I know I wanted to buy it after riding in it LOL)

Sandracer, I hope to make it there in September at least for a weekend trip. That would be awsome to try the different tires to see if it is something I need. Thanks!
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Re: First ride with my RIOT

Getting some parts in to start making some improvements and such......

I am installing a 1:1.5 steering quickener "backwards" to add some torque to the steering and reduce the ratio a bit......will be 2.25 turns lock to lock (RZR is 2.5 turns) so the steering will still be fairly quick.

I have a different clutch spring and some different cam weights coming in next week for clutch tuning.....my goal is to get an initial lower stall (for low speed travel and such) while at the same time not over shifting. My car had 4 37g cam weights with a black/silver spring which is an 85-205.......I am first trying a polaris spring that is a 70-210 and then I have some 39g weights as well as some 42.5 weights to play with......I will give some feedback after I have a chance to try it out.

I am planning on ordering the big gun pipe and the programmer in a couple more weeks and I will give some feedback on that.

I also plan on making changes to the intake and air filter just to make sure it is able to breath as good as possible.

All in all, I LOVE my Riot.....no it was not a "ready to go" car but I could see the potential in it and dont mind putting some time and effort into a few refinements. In the end, I think I will be much happier with it than anything else.

Anyone can buy a RZR and buy a bunch of parts for it but not many people have even seen one of these Riots LOL!
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Getting some parts in to start making some improvements and such......

I am installing a 1:1.5 steering quickener "backwards" to add some torque to the steering and reduce the ratio a bit......will be 2.25 turns lock to lock (RZR is 2.5 turns) so the steering will still be fairly quick.

I have a different clutch spring and some different cam weights coming in next week for clutch tuning.....my goal is to get an initial lower stall (for low speed travel and such) while at the same time not over shifting. My car had 4 37g cam weights with a black/silver spring which is an 85-205.......I am first trying a polaris spring that is a 70-210 and then I have some 39g weights as well as some 42.5 weights to play with......I will give some feedback after I have a chance to try it out.

I am planning on ordering the big gun pipe and the programmer in a couple more weeks and I will give some feedback on that.

I also plan on making changes to the intake and air filter just to make sure it is able to breath as good as possible.

All in all, I LOVE my Riot.....no it was not a "ready to go" car but I could see the potential in it and dont mind putting some time and effort into a few refinements. In the end, I think I will be much happier with it than anything else.

Anyone can buy a RZR and buy a bunch of parts for it but not many people have even seen one of these Riots LOL!
Nobody looks at a XP-900 or a RZR-S but they all take a double take at a Redline going by and they all want to know where they can buy one.
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Re: First ride with my RIOT

In my opinion, you should seriously look at the Thunder Products thundershifter kit for the quad cam comet. The base weight is 39 and you can add up to 16g to each weight in literally thousands of different combinations on the three holes in the weights. You can custom tune the clutch to react exactly as you want. The kit is only $162.00. I would think you will pay at least half of that for the four 39g stock weights. I have about 47g on each weight on my Riot. I use the stock spring and the secondary is completely stock. This combination works perfectly for my turbo setup, I am making about 140 HP. Before you start tuning the motor, I believe you should invest in a wide band air fuel gauge. The normally aspirated weber runs really well at 12.5:1 air fuel ratio. If you start tuning without knowing where you are now you may do more harm than good. Research some of the threads on the forum, there are many related to tuning. Erick did a lot on his normally aspirated Riot and much of the info is on here. I don't want to sound like a know it all, cuz I sure don't, but you may save some time and money if you don't try to reinvent the wheel. There is a wealth on knowledge on here, you just need to tap into it.......

Later,
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Re: First ride with my RIOT

Thanks Scott, I have certainly been reading and I have run across some of the naturally aspirated tuning threads and I will get a air/fuel gage as soon as I can. I have not sean that clutch kit for that price.....do you have a source for that? I will keep looking and Thanks for the info!!!
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