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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 08-26-2011, 03:33 AM Thread Starter
 
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Redline Riot With Yamaha R1 Motor

Hi,
I am Brian. I live in Mesa, AZ.
I bought a Riot and on my first trip to Glamis Sand Dunes, my motor mysteriously ran out of oil? Dont know how but that was the beginning of this project.
So, I decided instead of re-building the ring-a-ding-ding Weber Motor, I am installing a Yamaha 1000cc Snow Mobile Motor. It has a CVT belt so I do not need to change the transmission.
At the time, it seemed like a good idea. But I am no mechanic and as I go, I pay, and pay, and pay.
I got a 2008 Yamaha R1 Sled Motor out of Wisconsin with all the wiring harness, gauges, and all sorts of other attachments.
I took the Redline (without motor) to Desert Fab in Apache Junction AZ. They mostly build rock crawlers and desert race trucks but were happy and eager to build my Redline.
They did a great (and inexpensive) job mounting the motor. They also built me a custom aluminum bed to replace the stock plastic one.
Then I delivered all the parts and the Redline to Dusty of "DCKustom" in El MirageAZ.
Dusty is a master welder and mechanic. (good thing cause I am no biologist!) He has taken on the project of making A+B+C=D
He is figuring out all the how's and why's of getting a 1000cc 130 hp motor into the space of a 75cc 39 hp space and making it all work.
What I have learned the hard way is that the R1 Sled Motor needs a lot of extra things to make it work with the Redline. Such as; a separate oil tank and those do not come cheap, it also needs a super-special custom air box that is going to be BIG $. There are several more mods that I did not expect or budget for that I now get to enjoy.
I already spent $1200 on a custom exhaust from Charles at Pro-Dyno in Phoenix.
At least, Desert Fab fit the motor in so that it will fit the stock belt and belt cover.
Some of the changes that Dusty has made so far:
he added several gauges to better monitor the motor (so I dont blow this one up), added the R1 Gauges, modified the passenger grab bar so that my wife can reach it, added a bar for the passenger's feet so their feet can press against something instead of flopping around. He also had to re-position the bar behind the seats to fit the air intake system.
He is re-working the shifter to make it less "jickity-jack". He completely removed the Redline Wire Harness and has to install the Yamaha Harness in it's place. He built a rear bumper to protect the new exhaust that had to be mounted on the back due to lack of space under the bed.
We also have to get a custom made throttle cable to work with the different motor. We are upgrading batteries and adding a separate brake light.
I have also added a Rugged Radios Dual Headset Intercom with Ipod plug so we can rock out and talk without yelling.
Unfortunately now I can hear my wife screaming "SLOW DOWN!" so, maybe that part was a bad idea. Once it is all done, it will go back to pro-dyno to get fine-tuned.
As things progress I will post some updates and pictures. I hope to have it ready for dune season in a couple months. I have included a pic of the headers with the engine sitting in place and the new bed.
Also, much thanks to Mike at RedRock Powersports for all of his advice, support, knowledge, and availability of parts to keep this endeavor going.
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post #2 of 16 (permalink) Old 08-26-2011, 05:17 PM
 
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Re: Redline Riot With Yamaha R1 Motor

wow.. it looks like a great project...
hope to see some videos of it when its finished..
thanks for sharing... we enjoy pics and great projects here in the forum...
keep us updated..
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post #3 of 16 (permalink) Old 08-27-2011, 11:36 AM
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Very nice! Like Offroadpro said. Let's see some more photos and vids!
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post #4 of 16 (permalink) Old 08-27-2011, 03:32 PM
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Re: Redline Riot With Yamaha R1 Motor

So it must be the fuel injected Apex motor. Your going to love it. Next, turbo it.

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post #5 of 16 (permalink) Old 08-27-2011, 05:18 PM
 
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If you run into any major problems you can poss. give mcx-usa a call talk to trey they have put several of these motors into rzrs with turbos just a thought They might be some help as they have worked out most of the issues with this motor swap good luck can't wait to see the vids when complete
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130 hp motor........I'll be surprised if your trans holds up too long unless you run it in the dunes only. Then it will probably be fine (no shock loading). If you take it out in the desert, be sure to maintain steady throttle when getting airborne! Dont' be into or out of the throttle much from the time you left the ground. otherwise........ka....boom! Been there!

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post #7 of 16 (permalink) Old 08-31-2011, 06:20 PM
 
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Re: Redline Riot With Yamaha R1 Motor

Keep in mind that the Apex engine is 150 hp, not 130. Also, it turns 10,700 rpm, but the clutch only turns 8700 due to gear reduction. I have one that I built with turbo that is over 300 HP in a RZR...
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post #8 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-06-2011, 09:43 AM Thread Starter
 
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Went to visit "The Project" yesterday and took some photos.
We are working out some of the details such as how to fit all of the air intake into the limited space between the engine and the back of the seats.
We are ordering expanded metal to replace what protects the radiator and to use on the new rear bumper.
HawkEng says the Apex Motor is 150hp Yikes! that is alot of power.
Mike at RedRock tells me that the transmission is rated at like 140hp?
Pic 1 shows the exhaust, rear bumper, new lights and engine in place.
Pic 2 shows the new passenger grab bar, the modified cross bar behind the seats, and the intake of the motor.
Pic 3 shows the new instruments
Pic 4 shows the intake portion of the front of motor.
One other thing we noticed, the brake lines for the front brakes are getting pinched by the suspension where they are currently located and we will re-route them to the underside of the A-arm where it meets the frame.
We are discussing adding a hand brake that could be as simple as a cable to the back of the brake lever arm with a hand brake assembly off an old import car. Sure would be nice to be able to set a parking brake when stopped on a hill at the dunes.
Thanks for all the input.
Brian
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Mike at RedRock tells me that the transmission is rated at like 140hp?
I'm sure Mike is probably right about what it's "rated" to, but several of us on this forum can assure you that our "wimpy" 72hp motors and right foot have destroyed quite a few of them. The issue isn't power but shock loading. If you plan only to use it in the sand, then you might be fine. But when that thing catches air and is coming down, when it hits terra-firma and if the power is on or off, it will snap that trans.

Of course it also took some of us a few transmissions before we figured out that the stock breather line was in a location and routed in such a way that it would pump all of the oil out of it, run hot, and destroy itself....usually the gears fatiguing before the bearings.

BTW: The install is looking awesome! Can't wait to see this thing throwing sand roosts!!!

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post #10 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-07-2011, 03:27 PM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Redline Riot With Yamaha R1 Motor

Thanks for the input.
My wife was jumping our RZR and landing with her foot on the gas. destroyed the transmission. So I know what you are talking about. I sure do not want to destroy the transmission on my Redline. I will be using it in the desert and in the dunes but mostly at the dunes. I hope to keep myself and wife "under control" but the horsepower may go to my head and then bad things happen!
Also, Hawk talked earlier about the gear reduction in RPMs on the Apex Motor. I am wondering how the Apex Clutch going to the Redline Transmission will translate in speed and power.
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