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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-18-2010, 07:58 PM Thread Starter
 
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Engine/ECU Upgrades

Rrawty: I know you recently included some Queen Racing mods to your engine and/or your ECU. It was mentioned in other threads, but I thought it would be GREAT if you or Mike (RRR) could include in this thread exactly what was done and what improvements it made (HP or Fuel economy or what?).

Would be good to put it in one place for others to reference. If you could include part numbers, what it took to install, estimated pricing, etc that would be great.

I'm always looking for more power for racing and dune running. I could use the help!

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Rrawty: I know you recently included some Queen Racing mods to your engine and/or your ECU. It was mentioned in other threads, but I thought it would be GREAT if you or Mike (RRR) could include in this thread exactly what was done and what improvements it made (HP or Fuel economy or what?).

Would be good to put it in one place for others to reference. If you could include part numbers, what it took to install, estimated pricing, etc that would be great.

I'm always looking for more power for racing and dune running. I could use the help!

Thanks.
Jay
Hi Jay, it seems that informing other people on this site of what can be done is considered advertising. So we can not give any prices on anything. If you want to know anything on how to make performance of these motors please ask. We will answer. I have a lot to offer for these Webber motors. I am manufacturing new parts all the time. I have two turbo webbers in RZR's that are making over 175HP. on pump fuel. WE CAN DO THIS IN THE REDLINES ALSO! Thank you, Mark
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No problem Jay...

I already installed the ViPec ECU. Yes, it really does have a real boost in performance. I opted for the unlocked version as I just love to tinker!!!

One great point to a fully accessible ECU was that it made very appearant the problems that were able to be repaired at no cost to myself other than adjusting this or that. Such as notching out the firewall and throttle pedal stop to allow the intake butterflies to open from a very near true 0 to 100%. I basically have been running about 80% movement from day one and its just one of them things that you never think to check!! I had a range of probably 5 to 85 %.

I'm also running a live AFR gauge and it interfaces with the ECU to allow an on the fly auto tune. That feature alone makes it worth its value of $2,800.00. Being the test guinea pig for all you folks, I get the added luxury of some real quality time with Mark Queen in development of these products, maps, etc. Mark turns out to be a young dude with a sharp head on his shoulders and a skill set on par with most lifelong performance guru's. He's that good.

Always remember my famous quote(I made it up myself even): "EPA compliant means from the factory with asthma!!" With just the ECU and a totally retarded BiG Gun refit of their pipe and K & N air filters bolted straight to the throttle bodies, We know for sure we ran 58 MPH (we ain't figured the GPS out yet, LOL, just happened to be lookin) and the best time for the Jagged X car was 62 mph we heard!! Mark also figured out we need some clutch reworking as well. He was adamant we should be able to get another couple hundered RPM over 8200 or so with clutch work.

The engine is a bored 798cc non-stroked version. It's actually Marks first naturally aspirated as he normally builds turboe'd. He's done a valve job, port and polish and reconfiguration of the combustion chamber. The block is sleeved and the compression is raised. I ordered a mildly modded engine because durability is as important as short run pucker factor. Vegas to Reno is 1000 miles. I don't want an engine that needs rebuilt several times a season!! Mark rebuilt an engine I found that neede some crank rebuilding and lower end repair. The crank repair came with better oil ports and Frankly Mark said it turned out better than a new one.

We're expecting at least 100 hp and possibly up to 115hp. We'll see!! That said, we were passing confidently before we overheated which I chalk up to lack of proper testing on the ECU before start time. Gotta rememberm lot's of built engines and the ECU alone made me feel on par to everything out there. Even the Arctic Cat!!! There's alot of hammer on the gas, get off the gas, hammer on let off, over and over, and having the ability to richen the let off side should take care of that. We just hadn't planned on that with the two hours set up we had!! Pull your foot outa a full throttle to a no or little throttle and you get a repeated lean condition, hence an overheat!! However, I've only just acquired a program that should fairly acuratelygive a HP, but it has yet to be dynoe'd. I'll get it done after the engine swap......

As for the motor I should be returning to Lake Havasu next weekend and installing it and testing. I was getting about 9 mph I figure, Mike may have a better idea for sure.

In all honesty, I woked with about three hours sleep for two weeks leading up to Parker, driving 22 hours on 1.5 hours sleep, finishing the car in Lake Havasu with tech inspection happening just as they were starting to tear it down for the day. I wasn't mentally ready to race that Saturday, and the car needed some testing time still. But as they say, "It is what it is!!" there's always some drama leading up to the race, but this really was over the top pushing it.

I've since got Tire Balls as sponsors and am slowly tightening up the loose ends!! Next time, O.L.D. Racing will, I repeat WILL, really turn some heads!!


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Re: Engine/ECU Upgrades

Awesome! Thanks for the feedback. I also spoke with Mike at RRR and discussed how his Revolt acts. Based on what you guys are saying, I'm not sure that his REvolt with the upgrades is running any better than my Revolt with intake/exhaust mods. I top out at 74mph (checked on GPS) on flat ground at 1700 feet elevation. And I can turn 8300rpm at that speed. Although recently, like at the dunes, I couldn't seem to get over 7500rpm. But that might be reasonable given the drag sand causes.

So.................I'm thinking I need to try it side by side with mine to see the difference. I have to believe, though, that punching it to nearly 800cc's, port and polish, etc would still make some improvements.

I will contact Queen racing to find out all of hte pricing. Thanks man! Keep the updates coming. I'm enjoying following your racing adventures. If I get my but in gear and build a battery box and put in the correct rear lights, then I should be able to join you in BITD racing!!!!
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Awesome! Thanks for the feedback. I also spoke with Mike at RRR and discussed how his Revolt acts. Based on what you guys are saying, I'm not sure that his REvolt with the upgrades is running any better than my Revolt with intake/exhaust mods. I top out at 74mph (checked on GPS) on flat ground at 1700 feet elevation. And I can turn 8300rpm at that speed. Although recently, like at the dunes, I couldn't seem to get over 7500rpm. But that might be reasonable given the drag sand causes.

So.................I'm thinking I need to try it side by side with mine to see the difference. I have to believe, though, that punching it to nearly 800cc's, port and polish, etc would still make some improvements.

I will contact Queen racing to find out all of hte pricing. Thanks man! Keep the updates coming. I'm enjoying following your racing adventures. If I get my but in gear and build a battery box and put in the correct rear lights, then I should be able to join you in BITD racing!!!!

Jeff remember that the 76.3 Mph was with a completely stock motor, stock intake, and a broken Exhaust. Right now I just finished dynoing a stock turbo webber motor at over 180hp with a Vi-Pec ECU, in a RZR. I will be Dynoing Ron's car in about a week, so that will let everyone know what we can do with these N/A motors... Thanks Mark Queen
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Keep in mind that the top speed is a marginal number in some ways!! The single biggest bang happens in how quick you get there!! Lookin forward to hearing your updates as well..... Been a long time it seems since the build started and we talked on the phone. I learned quite a bit about tech on the cars since then in regards to BITD qualifying.

Must have's by the rules include a 2 occupied seats, 2 way radio, fuel cell not in the driver compartment, safety markers/lights to keep trophy from trying to mate with you going 100 mph, firesuits, two fire extinguishers, Snell 05 rated helmet with tag intact, safety markers for braekdowns, 1 days food and water in car, mostly are the keys to passing tech.

What I wouldn't even show up without next time on a personal level:
1. Race External Catheter!!!!(not kidding there) 2. Some sorta run flat device 3. Dialed in testing on suspension and car!! 4. spare tire mounted 5. Plenty of gas in my fuel cell!! (Bet lot's of races are lost there!!)


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From my past dealings with UTV racing association, some of the stuff (like 1 day's worth of food) isn't needed if you are running the 250 mile type races. For the 1000 mile and I think they have a 400 mile race, they require it. Right? Also, I thought the fuel cell was ok in the racing compartment as long as it was a fuel cell. And they said I could race the single seat setup but only in their sportsman class (IE: can't win any money).

I'm gonna have to follow back up with Cory!

As for engine upgrades (which is what this thread is really about), I am definitely going to look into other options through Queen. Not sure I'm ready to dump a bunch of money into it just yet.......but you never know.

Funny you mention the external catheder!!! I use one for any race longer than 1 hour!!! I find that I have to drink a good deal of water in order to stay properly hydrated and driving as hard as I can. That leads to having to piss on a regular basis! And I'm not ABOUT to piss myself!!! Had a buddy who used to piss himself cause he didn't want to use a catheder. After every race he was muddy in the middle area and smelled to high heaven! I know the Baja race guys use them and that's where I got the idea. Best thing I've ever done! I know..............too much info.........but some people don't think of things like that!
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Yeah some tech items were graded on a curve so to speak.

If you accidently decided to dump a bunch of money into a motor build, I hadn't thought of the Sprtsman class!! And, duuuhhhhh, that you blazed the trail that I followed through on!! Ask Mark or RRR about the nearly 1000cc punch out stroker we talked about!! It is possible, but not legal in Pro-Spec.......


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heres a little video on what mark can do!!!



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[/QUOTE]Funny you mention the external catheter!!! I use one for any race longer than 1 hour!!! I find that I have to drink a good deal of water in order to stay properly hydrated and driving as hard as I can. That leads to having to piss on a regular basis! And I'm not ABOUT to piss myself!!! Had a buddy who used to piss himself cause he didn't want to use a catheter. After every race he was muddy in the middle area and smelled to high heaven! I know the Baja race guys use them and that's where I got the idea. Best thing I've ever done! I know..............too much info.........but some people don't think of things like that! [/QUOTE]

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