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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 02-08-2012, 09:00 AM Thread Starter
 
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horse power question

I have ridden a used riot and am planning to purchase it however what is the best route to go for reasonably more horse power keeping reliability in mind and also price.

1)Turbo on existing motor which is the standard one.(

2)street bike motor and which brand.

3)Snowmobile Engine and which brand

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Re: horse power question

A turbo conversion on the riot motor will give you about 130 reliable horsepower. Expect to spend about $6000.00. Transplanting any other motor in there may give you more horsepower, but will definitely cost more. Somebody on here put a 4 cylinder motor in a riot, but I have not heard any update about it.
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I have a Wasteland Performance kit in mine. Rated at 130hp. You can call it a low budget turbo. Mine is all weber parts other than the intake which is single throttle body on a Polaris watercraft intake. It runs 15 lbs of boost. Weber engineered programmed and R&D for years. I am not sure where the innercooler comes from but that is the only questionable part availability I can think of. If I had to guess you can buy all the parts from Weber for $3,500 or less and do the work youself Just send your stock ECU to Weber for a reprogram. As for reliabilty, 2+ years and so far so good.

With all that said, Pilot makes more horse power with the dual throttle bodies and is tunable. As well as a bolt in. If money is no object, I have not heard anyone complain about his kit.

Your other two options are a lot of work and R&D. But we would all like to see the pics if you go that way.

So for me, 130hp tried and true is all I care to tempt myself with.



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I have a Wasteland Performance kit in mine. Rated at 130hp. You can call it a low budget turbo. Mine is all weber parts other than the intake which is single throttle body on a Polaris watercraft intake. It runs 15 lbs of boost. Weber engineered programmed and R&D for years. I am not sure where the innercooler comes from but that is the only questionable part availability I can think of. If I had to guess you can buy all the parts from Weber for $3,500 or less and do the work youself Just send your stock ECU to Weber for a reprogram. As for reliabilty, 2+ years and so far so good.

With all that said, Pilot makes more horse power with the dual throttle bodies and is tunable. As well as a bolt in. If money is no object, I have not heard anyone complain about his kit.

Your other two options are a lot of work and R&D. But we would all like to see the pics if you go that way.

So for me, 130hp tried and true is all I care to tempt myself with.
Just for info, Weber will not reprogram any ECU. You would need to buy a new off road turbo ECU from Weber. As for new parts from Weber, just the turbo assembly is $1730.00 ish and hard to get. The ECU is $540.00 ish and your intake and single throttle body are Weber parts also. I don't think that $3500.00 would buy all the Weber parts. The intercooler is only about $100.00 and is available from the aftermarket. I think anyone that wants to go turbo should expect to spend a minimum of $5,000.00 on all the parts and engine work even if they are doing all the work themselves if they are buying all new parts. The Weber takes special tools to take apart and put back together and they cost over $800.00. Remember the pistons and exhaust valves need changing too. The clutch needs adjustable weights from the aftermarket also. Its not just a afternoon conversion.
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nos...700 bucks you will run with the turbos in a drag race an win to...also you won't be changing map sensor all the time good luck frogger ribbit~~~~~~~*.
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I would go Turbo vs street bike etc there are alot of other choices but alot more cust. fab etc its nice to just turbo a weber and it's the same power plant that was made for your chasis so that means alot less R&D to work out the bugs and everything is meant for that application and I would try to find a FST if you can find one for a reasonable price because you will have an alternator and it's nice that it was turboed from the factory. jm2c
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I have a Wasteland Performance kit in mine. Rated at 130hp. You can call it a low budget turbo. Mine is all weber parts other than the intake which is single throttle body on a Polaris watercraft intake. It runs 15 lbs of boost. Weber engineered programmed and R&D for years. I am not sure where the innercooler comes from but that is the only questionable part availability I can think of. If I had to guess you can buy all the parts from Weber for $3,500 or less and do the work youself Just send your stock ECU to Weber for a reprogram. As for reliabilty, 2+ years and so far so good.

With all that said, Pilot makes more horse power with the dual throttle bodies and is tunable. As well as a bolt in. If money is no object, I have not heard anyone complain about his kit.

Your other two options are a lot of work and R&D. But we would all like to see the pics if you go that way.

So for me, 130hp tried and true is all I care to tempt myself with.
Just for info, Weber will not reprogram any ECU. You would need to buy a new off road turbo ECU from Weber. As for new parts from Weber, just the turbo assembly is $1730.00 ish and hard to get. The ECU is $540.00 ish and your intake and single throttle body are Weber parts also. I don't think that $3500.00 would buy all the Weber parts. The intercooler is only about $100.00 and is available from the aftermarket. I think anyone that wants to go turbo should expect to spend a minimum of $5,000.00 on all the parts and engine work even if they are doing all the work themselves if they are buying all new parts. The Weber takes special tools to take apart and put back together and they cost over $800.00. Remember the pistons and exhaust valves need changing too. The clutch needs adjustable weights from the aftermarket also. Its not just a afternoon conversion.
Man, great buy on my Revolt AND a steel on my turbo kit then. I was told by a Weber distributor that I could have my stock ECU reflashed but it has to ship to Germany to do it. I will have to recheck on that . And $5,000.00 is probaly right then. I ALWAYS go over budget. I do not count the weights, you are gonna buy them no matter how you add the power to a Weber.



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nos...700 bucks you will run with the turbos in a drag race an win to...also you won't be changing map sensor all the time good luck frogger ribbit~~~~~~~*.
2+ years with the turbo and have not even had to clean my map sensor yet much less replace it.



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I have a Wasteland Performance kit in mine. Rated at 130hp. You can call it a low budget turbo. Mine is all weber parts other than the intake which is single throttle body on a Polaris watercraft intake. It runs 15 lbs of boost. Weber engineered programmed and R&D for years. I am not sure where the innercooler comes from but that is the only questionable part availability I can think of. If I had to guess you can buy all the parts from Weber for $3,500 or less and do the work youself Just send your stock ECU to Weber for a reprogram. As for reliabilty, 2+ years and so far so good.

With all that said, Pilot makes more horse power with the dual throttle bodies and is tunable. As well as a bolt in. If money is no object, I have not heard anyone complain about his kit.

Your other two options are a lot of work and R&D. But we would all like to see the pics if you go that way.

So for me, 130hp tried and true is all I care to tempt myself with.
Just for info, Weber will not reprogram any ECU. You would need to buy a new off road turbo ECU from Weber. As for new parts from Weber, just the turbo assembly is $1730.00 ish and hard to get. The ECU is $540.00 ish and your intake and single throttle body are Weber parts also. I don't think that $3500.00 would buy all the Weber parts. The intercooler is only about $100.00 and is available from the aftermarket. I think anyone that wants to go turbo should expect to spend a minimum of $5,000.00 on all the parts and engine work even if they are doing all the work themselves if they are buying all new parts. The Weber takes special tools to take apart and put back together and they cost over $800.00. Remember the pistons and exhaust valves need changing too. The clutch needs adjustable weights from the aftermarket also. Its not just a afternoon conversion.
Man, great buy on my Revolt AND a steel on my turbo kit then. I was told by a Weber distributor that I could have my stock ECU reflashed but it has to ship to Germany to do it. I will have to recheck on that . And $5,000.00 is probaly right then. I ALWAYS go over budget. I do not count the weights, you are gonna buy them no matter how you add the power to a Weber.
Let me restate the part about the ECU, a Weber distributor will only be able to flash your ECU with any current upgrades for your ECU. To reflash it with the turbo off road program it could only be done at the Weber factory and by the time that would be done it would be cheaper just to buy a new one for the proper application $530.00. Sandracer, how much did your turbo kit cost installed by Waistland? I think he sells a kit for around $4500.00 not installed. If you don't want to say how much that is fine, I was just wondering. I know you had to get your own clutch weights, tach, boost gauge and a good manual boost controller that was not in the kit.
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