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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 10-27-2009, 05:48 AM Thread Starter
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SO CAL DESERT Racing Series

Hi everybody

I need some feed back on the possibility of starting a DESERT racing series in Southern California.
This would be dedicated to UTVs, Stadium Lights, CLs and Motorcycle engined buggies.
At this point everything is up in the air. What I am trying to ascertain is if there is enough interest for such a series. In other words If I build it, will you come?

The races would be shorter than the normal off-road races already in place which are really meant for full sized vehicles. I am thinking loops of about 25 miles and race length of about 100 miles possibly 150 miles. The length will vary depending on class.

The most likely area would be Barstow but other areas in So. Cal such as Lucerne Valley, California City, etc are not out of the question. Probably 5-6 races a year.

Rules would be pretty much standard as used by existing series.

Please let me know just how interested you would be. I would like to know just how many already race in other series and those who may consider entering but still have to prepare a vehicle.
Thoughts, suggestion, opinions, concerns are all welcome. Please contact me at the email address below.

Thank you very much
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Would you consider the desert outside Vegas (Primm) as a possible race spot.

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I would definitely be interested...
it would depend on how far they would be (the closer to the south, the better)...... and also depending if I have the $$$ at the time...
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We are in, depending on location, entry fees, classes and dates.
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post #5 of 17 (permalink) Old 10-27-2009, 06:10 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the replies. Question, would you guys feel comfortable to be in a class that allows buggies up to 110" wheelbase, M/c engines up to 1200cc. I want to keep things as simple as possible. One class for Stadium lights up to +/- 80" and 600cc and another for the longer buggies up to 1200cc.
One advantage of starting with a clean sheet is I can try to come up with class splits that make sense.
About Primm. In principle I would not mind but judging by what I saw last time I went there last year it appears that Nevada BLM is even more restrictive than we are in CAL. Please correct me if I am wrong. If I want to watch cars go through a dug up parking lot I go to Stadium racing. I like to drive deep in the desert and watch from most any place.
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Re: SO CAL DESERT Racing Series

You should break UTVs into a class that has an 800cc motor limit. If you allow that class to go to 1200cc's, pretty much everyone on this site is going to get beat on a regular basis. And none of them will want to come. Keep the class to 800cc's and open up the suspension types/styles. Keep the class very similar and then it becomes more of a race among drivers, not the money in their pockets!
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Hey guys,

I have long been considering a motor swap but, none of the races except whiplash are definite on there spec requirements. In the class that the Revolt is put in, the motor limit is 1000cc with no other limitations on the motor. These units can produce twice the HP of a Weber. I have access to a Weber factory turbo engine but then I wont be able to race Glen Helen.

I have been looking into switching into a built 500cc 2 stroke that will get 110 HP. That motor would be legal everywhere I want to race. But, If they come along and make the limit 600cc and I have a 500cc, then I have left 20 HP on the table.

I see on the Whiplash races that in the sportsman class the Revolts do very well. Are all of the big cc UTV's in the pro class? You are racing against machines with much more HP and unlimited suspensions (except for wheel base) How are you spanking them so.

I guess I may have to have to choose where the engine that I choose fits and only be able to run in those series.

I realy like Glen Helen but, I am nervous about going to a 500cc motor. It would realy be nice to know what the rules are going to be for that series next year. I am sure that Art will put together a stellar saftey spec. but, I am not sure if he knows all of the options on wheel base and engine sizes and types to deal with to make this class open to as many racers as possible. I heard that they may split the 2 stroke and 4 stroke motors all together. I am sure that this is because all of the Pilots are 2 stroke.

However, if the Revolts are winning the Whiplash unlimited UTV with 72 HP then, 110 HP would be enough to do well and a 500cc 2 stroke would be fine.

Well, "that seemed to escalate rather quickly". I don't know how to tackle this but, perhaps this new series is a clean slate to set up some rules which I am sure Bob at Glen Helen would adopt as he just wants racers. This would be 2 venues of two diffent types to race close to home and you would always be able to race in the unlimited Whiplash UTV races.

Please reply with answers to all of my questions. Just kidding but, I would like to know how the Revolts dominate the Sportsman class at Whiplash.
Thanks, Rick Dude
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post #8 of 17 (permalink) Old 10-28-2009, 05:07 AM Thread Starter
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Well I have a question. First I was planning to have a "Stadium Lites" class to enable those that want to try their hand at desert racing to come over and see if they like it. I feel that throwing them in a class of much longer wheelbase and bigger engines may turn them away. That class may evolve into something which would be a Lite on steroids.
The other option would in fact have an intermediate class for slightly longer wheelbase single/two seat same size engines.
How about 500cc two strokes and 800cc four strokes?
I am having one heck of a time nailing down the Max wheelbase of a stadium light.
BTW I am looking at 110" wheelbase + 1200cc MC engines only for the "big class".
How long wheelbase does Glen Helen allow currently?
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Glen Helen doesnt really have many rules yet. Some of us drivers did settle on 500CC 2 stroke max and 800CC 4 stroke max, Must run a CVT trans. We never finalized max width or wheel base or Minimum Weigh
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post #10 of 17 (permalink) Old 10-28-2009, 09:14 AM
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Rick I dont know who told you that you can get 110 hp out of a 500 two stroke. I have one of the fastest 500 two stokes there are and it puts out somewhere between 68 to 72 Hp. It would be a step backward in my opion. Until everyone starts using the power thats in there buggy right now it doesnt make sence to put in more power. 200hp wont make you go any faster if your not using your 72Hp. This rule talk is starting to drive me crazy. Seperating the pilots and redlines and other similar car is not a good idea. The class wont survive you need carssssssss! When I first started racing I lost. I didnt start thinking of rules to kick people out. I went to the track and started practicing. Cant everyone just go racing and have fun. Tim
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