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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 12-19-2016, 08:23 PM Thread Starter
 
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Restoration Started

Skip to second post for tech. This is my introduction lol. First off, thanks to Dave and Mike for taking time to help me get started. I'm a tinker and love working on stuff. When I found an old Redline I had to buy it. Don't know if you guys like stories but hey, I guess it's a good way to get started.

I live in NJ otherwise known as off road hell. It's tough to do any sort of riding here anymore. I grew up riding whatever and still have a passion for off-road stuff. My wife made me come back to NJ after retiring from the military. After being all over the world in mountains I figured the last place in the world I would end up was back in NJ. But, my wife is cool so here I am. More on her later. I have 8 acres of land so my 6 year old and I have a couple of Chinese buggys we beat around on. I got mine for a couple hundreds dollars and it looks like it. 250 Honda clone motor. Ported and polished head, cam, pumper carb, remote shocks. Looks like crap goes like hell lol. Had fun building that and my son got old enough to drive so I got him a quarter scale one. Pretty neat. Then, and here comes a lesson, I rolled mine and ripped my shoulder off. It kinda hurt. I was putting the buggy away and strapped in but did not have my helmet on. Punched it to swing the ass around and I caught a rut from my big truck. Took me right over and I said keep your arms in RJ. Well I did but when I came over I stuck my elbow out so my head wouldn't hit the cage. I could not help myself. It hit and ripped my shoulder right off. The only thing holding it together was skin. The muscle pulled away the bone broke. Hurt. Don't do that.

Took a break and put the thing back together. My son saw me wreck and we talked about how I made a big mistake in driving like that over rough ground, and getting in the buggy without my helmet. When I was hanging in the harness with fuel running down my neck I remember seeing his little feet. Lol. He asked me what happened and the first thing I said was daddy made a big mistake. He looked at me and said, yeah I think you were going a bit too fast lol. He is a good kid. We are riding again and having fun in the yard and I started thinking about doing some out of state off road parks. My cdi quit again and that's all I needed to start the wheels turning.

I was actually looking on Craigslist for another Chinese buggy. I saw an ad for a Redline and never heard of it. That's pretty odd as I consider myself pretty hip on anything with a motor. I figured it would be too big for my yard but this one had surprisingly narrow measurements. I found out if was the HMF bike that Hans narrowed and later it was driven by a guy who added hand controls. When I first saw it I knew I was buying it. Coolest thing in the world. I build a bunch of cars for people and have one of the fastest pump gas ZR1s in the world. I do a bunch of old stuff too and have a great time. These buggies really impress me. When I went to look at it it was on the rough side. It was cold and wouldn't start. I cringed as they were giving me the starter motor hell. Finally Intold the guy I want it and I'm not scared if it's blown up. Just make it worth my while. We came to a deal and off we went.
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post #2 of 26 (permalink) Old 12-19-2016, 08:38 PM Thread Starter
 
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When I got home I could keep it running by spraying starting fluid. Talked to
Mike and Dave and started reading. Plugs were trashed, the tank was filled with little balls of jelly, kind of looked like ant eggs. Pump was screaming. I took the whole fuel system out and cleaned it. One of the injectors was missing that piece of plastic right on the tip. I looked down in the I take but didn't see it. No idea when it fell off,but it's not in there. One of the fuel lines was so clogged with ant egg things I could not blow through it. You may be asking why I'm sticking my mouth on hoses filled with mystery eggs, well I'm an idiot. The one filter was clogged. Surprised a buggy with such history had no filter before the pump but who knows. Could have been the last guy. The pump was full of dirt jelly so I cleaned it out. It has an aluminum tank mounted up high because the guy needed room for his legs. I think that tank is shot. I put a bottle of B12 in it and it seemed to be getting all the crap loose but we will see. For giggles I stuck the 2 fuel lines in a gas can with a fresh filter and after Inprimed the pump it started right up. I had the super fancy fuel box off to rule it out as a problem. When I put the box back on it ran worse. I'm probably going to need to figure out how to re map the buggy because when the guy was trying to start it he just kept mashing buttons. No idea. It's pig rich with the box on. Oh, I forgot to tell you about my wife. I'm thinking of her because she was yelling "is it supposed to smell like this and shoot flames out the back"? I told her it was the smell of horsepower. Anyway, I called my wife and told her I was going to do something stupid and buy this thing. I told her it was a project and she said, oh that's cool then but it! See my wife is cool. She knows rebuilding things makes me happy and would be pissed if I bought a new RZR. I would have much less to keep me busy.

I've been reading some but will have to count on the few of you active to help me through this. I'm debating just pulling the whole thing apart and rebuilding everything. But it's more dirty than broke. I do know there are some things I need to look at so I'm hoping I can find or get a good plan with your help.

Sorry, not always this long winded. Just wanted to introduce us and get started. Tomorrow I need to decide on a new tank, or try and save this one. It's pretty small and right in front of the rad, so maybe I will weld up something new. I suppose I need to Photobucket pics. I will try to get some of those up.
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post #4 of 26 (permalink) Old 12-20-2016, 12:45 AM
 
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I sent you another PM. Great story, we all have stories about our Redline cars and it seems like most of them have to do with loving these vehicles. I'm sure you will get that thing running great again. It has been sitting for a long time from what you have relayed about it. That isn't a good thing for any gas powered vehicle so I'm sure you will have a bunch of repairs in your future. At least you have started to learn what makes these things tick.
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post #5 of 26 (permalink) Old 12-20-2016, 04:01 AM Thread Starter
 
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Ok, so it seems like it's going to live. Tune is off but we will get to that.

I'm understanding that for the jet boxes, for lack of a better term, work best with smaller injectors? I haven't found a post on that yet.

Ha I said that, I intend to go turbo if some of you guys have enough parts laying around. So a few questions for the gallery.

Is it worth it? Quite frankly I want to do it now just because that's the God buggy. I hope that makes sense. I have no need to have a turbo buggy. But then again I have no need for a 1k wheel daily driver.

How bad is the swap? How do they run after? I'm assuming the exhaust is swapped and some intake piping. This is critical for me now because there is no sense getting the thing tuned and buying parts that I will just swap later l would imagine bigger injectors are needed. Do you lose any low end? If so this is not the way I will go. Is a stock n/a motor ok compression wise or do you need to bump it down? Thanks so much!
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post #7 of 26 (permalink) Old 12-20-2016, 03:39 PM
 
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I need to chime in here on the turbo ECU subject. We don't use the FST Polaris ECU. A few have tried to use the Bosch FST unit but most haven't been successful. The one most of us use is a Walbro ECU that is available from Weberpower. It is the one that Wastland helped Weber build to use on offroad vehicles like the Revolt. It plugs directly into the wiring harness just as the stock Walbro normally aspirated Redline one dose. They cost close to $600 now so it isn't cheap. There have been rumors that Wastland can reflash the stock ECU to make it a turbo unit but I haven't been able to confirm that. I've bought several of the special ones from Weberpower and they work pretty good as is, but even better when a piggy back controller from AEM is wired into the system so it can be tuned with a laptop computer. Also the pistons for the FST are 9 to 1 compression and they are the way to go. The stock Redline compression is 11.5 to 1. Also the FST exhaust valves need to be installed. They are sodium filled to take the extra heat. The horse power is doubled and what is really cool is the torque is doubled. If you use the FST engine internals you can run pump premium fuel at 15 lbs of boost with no worries. Yes its worth it!
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Wouldn't mind picking up a built turbo motor for later. I guess I can get this one straightened out and have one of you guys build me a turbo motor. We just need to collect all the parts for the swap. I have a wide band as I tune my race car. I'm used to how stupid this all costs. I'm not scared away that easy. Of course that means I need an upgraded gear box. I like the idea of building a turbo a lot.
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post #9 of 26 (permalink) Old 12-21-2016, 10:43 AM
 
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I had a Riot for a little while that was stock when I got it. We probably took it out stock on approximately 6 dune trips before a turbo conversion and it was NIGHT and DAY difference. It was a completely different machine......it went from loud and deep in the throttle all the time to quiet and barely needing throttle to haul the mail!


I did my entire conversion myself in my garage with the help of lots of information found on this website as well as Randy from Weber power. I bought pistons, seals, valves, shims, gaskets and ECU from weberpower, then bought the watercraft intake and a FST turbo setup from ebay. Bought my intercooler, aluminum piping, silicone hose, clamps, manual wastegate controller, FST injectors, FST map sensor and such online as well. I just shopped for the parts I wanted with the best deals I could find and it wasn't too bad. I ended up modifying one of my throttle bodies to use in place of the one available to buy (if you use the watercraft intake and single throttle body setup) and that saved about $600. My understanding was the weber ECU was developed for the single throttle body setup. I probably forgot a few things but it was a very fun project and in the end, it ran perfect and the AFRs where always good. It was worth every penny I spent and the fun factor of the car went through the roof!


Sounds like you have some mechanical knowledge so if I can do it, you can too LOL!
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post #10 of 26 (permalink) Old 12-21-2016, 11:18 AM Thread Starter
 
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Awesome! Looks like this is going to be something I'm going to tackle. I'm hoping to start piecing things together and get the ball rolling. Maybe somebody has a motor laying around I can buy and work on while riding this one?!?!?! Lol

On a side note I've got orange injectors. Anyone know if these are stock?
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